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 Post subject: Winnetou costume needed
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:45 pm 
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Hi guys,

I am filming a trilogy of short films loosely referencing the Winnetou character. Do you have any idea where I could buy a nice costume of the kind that Pierre Brice wears in the films?

Thanks in advance,

Magnus


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:59 am 
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As far as I know—and I have done a little research on this matter—there may be no retail commercial source for a ready-made Winnetou costume of the design worn by Pierre Brice in the 1960s films. The outfit was made of German white-tanned buckskin, with extensive genuine beadwork decorations, and would be costly to purchase even if it were available. Some people have fabricated replicas of the costume. Here is a detailed, and fascinating description of the process:

http://32256.forendienst.de/ecf0400f592b9d90c2f42588bc0c6116/show_messages.php?mid=4404437

In this case, the glass beads were sown directly to buckskin panels, a laborious procedure. There is an alternative way to do beadwork, and which is especially adapted to the long decorative strips of the Winnetou costume: the bead loom. These can be fabricated or purchased from many sources. Here is a simple over-view:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=bead%20loom&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Ready-made beadwork strips can be purchased from Crazy Crow Trading Post:

http://www.crazycrow.com/

Specific page:

http://www.crazycrow.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=512-200-000

To get the actual design would require custom-woven strips.

The Pierre Brice style costumes are made to-day, for the outdoor stage productions in Germany and Austria. You might contact one of these production companies, to enquire after their costumer, if your budget would permit it.

The Karl May Festspiele at Bad Segeberg is perhaps the most well-known:

http://www.karl-may-spiele.de/frontend/aktuell.php

In addition, two elaborate fan-films have been made in Germany, by Mike Dietrich of the Karl-May-Treff. The most recent, released last year, is Winnetou und das Geheimnis der Geisterschlucht, reviewed in the film section of this forum.

You might contact Mr Dietrich, who portrayed Winnetou with the correct costume, and ask how he obtained it.

http://www.karl-may-treff.de/

Depending upon the requirements of the films you are making, you may be able to get by with a simplified version of the costume. The costume could easily be made of white cotton or cotton blend fabric, by a dress shop, with standard fringe and bead strips added. The pattern for a sailor outfit could be used as the basis (without the collar, of course), since it is essentially the same. Indeed, it occurs to me that a dress-white sailor outfit of suitable size could be obtained very cheaply at an Army-Navy surplus store, and readily transformed into a fair replica of the Winnetou costume. (This is my low-budget film-making sense at work here; I have no idea of your budget, or where in the world you are located.)

Winnetou’s Silver Rifle is usually made from a double-barrelled hammer shotgun, entirely re-stocked in the most ambitious projects, or merely studded with nickel-plated upholstery tacks. Tomahawks and Bowie-style knives are widely available, from myriad sources.

I wish you luck on your project. If you do ultimately make the films, please announce them here, or on the new English language Karl May forum at the Karl May Bookstore:

http://stores.lulu.com/karlmay


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:51 pm 
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In response to your posting on where to buy a Winnetou costume, you do have several options depending on your budget. I am a Native American Cree and have access to several tribal members that do buckskin clothing with beadwork. If you would like to contact me by email I would be happy to see if we can accommodate you.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:38 am 
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Philip and Angie,

thank you both for your insightful replies.

As for my budget, it's small. Very small. I'm a Swedish-born, Amsterdam-based artist who works mainly with video. Next year I will be the recipient of an artist-in residence fellowship in Croatia and I plan to make a short film set in the Plitvice and Paklenica regions, where "Treasure at Silver Lake" was filmed.

This project is ultimately for my father who suffers from a chronic illness. It will allow him to be the hero for once. My father will star as the Indian Chief, so the costume is for him. It would be fantastic with a real buckskin costume but I doubt that I can afford it. Thanks for the links to the Karl May festival productions, I was also thinking along those lines after only finding masquerade costumes online. I will pursue that path.

Angie, I will send you an e-mail, I'm curious to see how much a real costume would cost. It would be an excellent investment in my own art, unless it's crazy expensive, that is.

I will keep you updated on the progress of my projects. Thanks again!

Best regards,

Magnus Monfeldt


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:47 pm 
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Hello Magnus - there is a w-page which depicts how a Winnetou costume is being made:

http://karel-may.majerco.net/zajimavost ... vinnetoua/

It seems the w-page has an English and German translations. Let us know if this is of any help to you!


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